Fernando Henrique Cardoso, the former two-term president of Brazil
and the last to hold office before the current president, Luiz Inacio
Lula da Silva, is today the most influential voice in Brazil's
opposition. As the implementer of the Real Plan, which finally tamed
Brazil's famously runaway inflation, Cardoso has plenty negative to
say about Lula's current plans to speed up what has been lackluster
growth. Only reforms and public spending cuts, he says, along with a
strengthening of regulatory efforts, will move the country forward. As
he prepared to leave Brazil to begin the academic year at Brown
University, Cardoso spoke with LATIN TRADE Brazil Correspondent
Margarida Pfeifer.
Do you believe that the "accelerated growth plan" put
forth by the government will get the economy moving?
I honestly don't believe so, although I wish it were possible.
Brazil needs new investments, and the government plan brings very little
new investment. Most of the investment projected by the program are
existing, programmed investments by state-owned companies, particularly
by Petrobras and Eletrobras. What does the plan do with private
investment, which is 97% of the investment going on in the country? Very
little. Other than some sectoral efforts, which could have some impact,
the growth plan doesn't attack the fundamental obstacles to private
investment, which are high taxes and uncertainty about the rules of the
game. The government's actions do not face up to these problems.
Worse, they aggravate matters. Spending has not stopped increasing. The
accelerated growth plan is more political marketing by the government
than a growth plan that is consistent with Brazil's development.
Your party, the PSDB, has assumed the role of the political
opposition. Can your party work with the left-wing PT government on
making a growth plan work?
The PSDB could eventually improve upon one or another part of this
plan. But I should make it clear that we have a different vision of how
best to concretely speed up Brazil's development. The way forward
is different: More reforms, beginning with the welfare system, with the
full weight of the government behind it; making a formal commitment to
reduce public spending; strengthening of regulatory frameworks and of
the agencies responsible for infrastructure. Lower interest rates and
the possibility of lower taxes, along with an improved legal system,
would inject energy and confidence into the private sector and trigger a
wave of investments the size that Brazil really needs, if the idea is to
grow in a sustained fashion at his target rate of 5% a year.
You have said that Brazil isn't growing because it failed to
complete an institutional overhaul and that this should be the biggest
worry for whomever took the reins of government. What needs to be done?
Brazil needs a state that takes less resources out of society and
is more efficient in the way it provides services, and it needs a
clearer set of rules when it comes to infrastructure, taxes, etc. That
is not to say we need less government but a better government. My
administration worked in this way. We were able to achieve that to some
degree, and we fell short to some degree. In a democracy, change takes
place over several governments and when they are done things stay
changed because the changes have a legitimacy. That's how it is
when countries are developing. Look, for instance, at Spain or Chile.
Lula is not worried about these things?
The current administration, although it has kept up with the basic
things in terms of macroeconomic policy, did not really get moving hard
enough on institutional reforms. In many cases, just the opposite;
instead of moving forward, they took steps backward. On the one hand,
this is because it has a statist view of society and the economy. On the
other, because of the political alliances of the ruling party. One thing
or another, it adds up, which brought back the apparatus of the state
and left the reform agenda behind.
Since the beginning of your time in office you talked about the
need for reforms. Why are they still not done?
Reform is not easy. We were able to get some done, but we need to
continue. Resistance is immediate and the benefits are not seen until
the medium or long term. That's why it's important to have
conviction and to be ready to spend political capital in a way that
favors the future development of the country. The current administration
has neither of these traits. It lacks conviction regarding reforms and
the willingness to spend that capital. It's a conservative
government, one that focuses on immediate results. What hurts me is that
Brazil is allowing an exceptional opportunity get by, an international
economy such as we have not seen in more than 30 years. We are falling
behind in relation to countries against whom we should be competing.
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