Panelists:
RAYMOND G. TORTO Ph.D., CRE
Principal and Chief Strategist
CB Richard Ellis--Torto Wheaton Research
Boston, Mass.
KENNETH P. RIGGS, JR., CRE
President and CEO
Real Estate Research Corp.
Chicago, Ill.
ALAN C. BILLINGSLEY, CRE
Head of Research, North America RREEF
San Francisco, Calif.
Moderator:
PETER C. BURLEY, CRE
Associate Editor/REI
Vice President, Research
Simpson Housing LLLP
Denver, Colo.
Peter Burley Sets the Scene
ON ANY GIVEN DAY, one can usually find me in my office
"studying." My job requires it. As the chief--and
only--research executive in the building, I am the guy who monitors,
analyzes, interprets and synthesizes incoming reports and data that
reflect developments in U.S. economy and property markets. I write what
I have learned for the various clients I serve within the company (read:
the Boss, the Boss's Boss and our investors).
A big part of my daily routine is playing host to a parade of
visitors in my office (read once again: the Boss), who often drop by to
ask me what I have read or what I know about the latest reports on
employment trends, interest rates or property market performance.
Lately, say over the past few months, the visits have grown more
frequent, and the questions just a bit more serious.
"So," one visitor (er, the Boss) began, as he stood at my
door, "are we there yet?"
"Where?" I asked, looking up, slightly unfocused, from my
computer screen.
"Recession," he said, matter-of-factly.
"I'm having a little trouble getting a fix on that,"
I answered, "though the odds that we are headed that way seem to
have increased in the past few weeks. Job growth is off. Spending over
the holidays was a bit weak. And, there is simply no good news on the
housing front. Debt markets are nearly frozen. And, to me, the very fact
that the Fed is acting aggressively suggests that some concern may be
warranted."
"I think we're gonna have a recession," he said and
walked down the hall.
As I said, the visits are more frequent. The questions are more
serious. And lately, when I answer the questions and write about the
economy and the property markets, I try to do so as honestly and in as
straightforward a manner as I can without:
* injecting too much optimism into the discussion;
* scaring the bejeezus out of those who ask the questions or read
my reports (i.e., the Boss).
Thinking to myself that perhaps it would be useful to inject a
little fresh perspective into my daily studies, I decided that maybe I
should be the one who asks the questions for a change. At the end of
December, and again in mid-January, I sat down to glean some fresh,
additional wisdom from three of our best known and most respected
thinkers. "What might Ray or Alan or Ken say if I happened to stop
by their door to ask, "Are we there yet?"
BURLEY: Housing markets continue to crash. Financial markets are in
turmoil. Employment is slowing. Spending is beginning to slow. The
Federal Reserve seems a little spooked, trimming its official forecast
for 2008, and aggressively easing policy. The dollar is at a new
near-term low.
Recent dynamics in the economy have been tipped over, first by the
deep slump in the housing market, with few signs of stabilizing and
additionally, by significant stress in the financial markets, with
equity markets swinging wildly, and debt markets in turmoil. It seems
almost as though some of the financial innovations that helped fuel
expansion in the past have suddenly turned on us--I'm thinking
especially about the multitude of fairly new securitized debt
instruments that have entered the market in recent years, like CDOs and
SIVs.
Home sales have fallen to their lowest level in 28 years. Owner
home equity fell in 2007 for the first time in 16 years, suggesting
weaker spending and economic growth ahead.
Additionally, there is evidence that loans of all kinds are showing
stress, from home mortgages to construction loans to auto loans to
consumer credit. Delinquencies and defaults are up, it seems, across the
board. Even student loans appear to be on the verge of slipping into
crisis.
Consumers and businesses alike are growing more pessimistic. The
Moody's Economy.com Business Confidence Index, for instance, is at
its lowest level since its creation some five years ago, with components
for sales, inventories and office space all deteriorating. The
University of Michigan Consumer Sentiment Index dropped in early
December, largely on expectations, to its lowest level since Hurricane
Katrina and is at its second lowest level since the early 1990s. And,
the Conference Board's index of consumer confidence is effectively
at its lowest since 2003. While confidence measures are seldom very good
indicators of spending behavior, we have seen some evidence that
consumers are pulling back, with rather soft retail sales reported in
the fourth quarter of 2007. Consumer spending slowed in December to its
weakest pace in six months ...
What's your assessment of the state of the U.S. economy, given
the slumping housing market, turmoil in the financial markets, a
slowdown in employment and consumer spending, and pessimism among
consumers and businesses? Are we headed into a recession? Are we already
in a recession?
TORTO: First of all, the question is not whither recession but how
slow will growth be and for how long? A positive growth of .2 or a
negative growth of -.2 has the same negative effects for our economy.
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We are amazed at the resiliency of the U.S. economy. Consumers are
still stepping up and businesses are posed to continue investments and
serving the export markets. As long as we continue to create about
80,000-100,000 jobs a month, and businesses can borrow from the banks
and markets, we expect to see slow but positive GDP growth.
The most insidious risk is the instability of the credit markets
and whether we can get back to normalcy in first quarter of 2008 in
these markets. We expect the overbuilding of the residential sector to
be a drag on the economy until the end of 2009, subtracting from overall
GDP growth. For 2008, we see GDP growth in the one percent range.
We will pull out of this slowdown when the housing drag is no more
and as the export market for our goods and farm products continues to
grow. The graph above shows the importance of housing to the overall
economy, being as high as 6 percent of GDP in 2005, and now at 4 percent
... as housing starts fall, it will detract from GDP growth and offset
the positive stories for business investment and business exports.
RIGGS: There are quite a few signs that the economy is at
risk--record high oil prices, a weak dollar, government deficits,
geopolitical risk, the subprime mortgage meltdown, and the global credit
crisis--but no hard evidence yet that we are in a recession. The most
recent measure of GDP growth, taken Dec. 20, 2007, indicates a final
estimate of 4.9 percent for third quarter 2007, which is higher than the
3.8 percent growth in second quarter. Also, productivity growth of 6
percent, solid corporate balance sheets, strong demographics, low
interest rates and the Federal Reserve's aggressive approach to
cutting rates to stay ahead of a recessionary curve, and a weak dollar,
all demonstrate the strength of the U.S. economy.
That said, however, many economists are projecting slower economic
growth over the next few quarters. And, with continued high oil prices
and high winter heating costs, slow job growth, a reduction in home
building, and the continued negative hype associated with election year
politics, it will feel like a recession to many, especially those in
hard-hit areas of the country or in industries with declining growth.
Main Street, or the consumer, still comprises two-thirds of our
economy. If employment doesn't slow too much, and consumers keep
their jobs and continue to spend, the foundation for economic growth
will remain solid. Additionally, growth in exports will continue to
shore up the U.S. economy. During the second quarter of 2007, imports
fell 2.7 percent, while exports increased 7.5 percent, which was due in
great part to the weak dollar. Business and government spending in 2008
will also help to keep the economy growing.
BILLINGSLEY: I do not believe the economic fundamentals warrant a
recession. Nevertheless, there is a high probability--about 50
percent--that we will get one in 2008, as a result of what I believe are
overreactions in the equity and debt markets. A market psychology is
setting in that could lead to more severe job layoffs, to more
restrained hiring, and to fearful consumers, pushing us into
recessionary territory. In any event, the choice appears to be between
our base case of very weak employment and GDP growth in the coming year,
versus a mild recession, with modest negative employment and GDP growth.
In either case, a needed slowdown will allow us to recover from a
"bubble" we created in asset prices and over-leveraged debt
markets. Renewed growth would follow in 2009 and beyond.
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